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专访希氏异构:中国首家与华西医院达成深度合作的AI公司,预期未来三五年实现营收30亿元

2018-05-24

此前,华西医院与某科技公司达成深度合作、联合成立医学人工智能研发中心的新闻燃爆各大主流媒体,甚至中央媒体也予以新闻报道。这家公司就是四川希氏异构医疗科技有限公司(以下简称希氏异构),双方共同建立的研发中心称为华西—希氏医学人工智能研发中心,zhizaikaizhanxitongxingdeduoxuekedeyixuerengongzhinengjishuyanfa、zhuanhua、yingyonghetuiguang。

 

医疗加AI缺一不可

 

xishiyigou,yigetingqilaichongmannonghoukehuansecaidemingzi,shijidayoushenyi。xishiyigouchuangshirensongjiegaosubeiqiaoshe,gaimingzishi“erheyi”dejiejing,“xishi”,daibiaoxiyixuezhongdekuangshizhuanzhu《xishineikexue》,dongyiliaodeneixingrenyikandao“xishi”,jiuhuilianxiangdaogongsideyiliaoshuxing;er“yigou”,laiyuanyiguquanfangshijiamengdeguojidingjirengongzhinengkexuejiawurenboshituandui,wurenboshichuangbandegongsiqumingyigoukeji(novumind),liangdazhutihebingdanshenglexiqiyouxijingdexinmingzi。

 

正如其名,出身临床医生的宋捷表示,医学人工智能有两个关键词,一是医疗,一是人工智能,这两大核心缺一不可。yiliaoqiangdiaodishilinchuangyiliaojishuhelinchuangyiliaoshuju,libukaiyiliulinchuangzhuanjiadezhishihezhichi,erhuaxiyiyuanzuoweizhongguozuihaodeyiliaojigouzhiyi,yongyouguoneidingjian、guojiyiliudelinchuangjingyan、jishuyugaozhiliangyiliaodashuju,shifeichangbaoguide。

 

“guoquqibanian,huaxiyiyuanyizhiwenjuyiliaojigouzonghepaimingdier、xueshupaimingdiyidebaozuo,yongyoupangdaqieyouzhiyiliaodashuju,zheizaiguoneiquzhikeshu,womenhehuaxiyiyuandachenghezuojiangchengweigongsizhuyaojingzhengyoushizhiyi。”

 

julejie,songjiezaonianconglinchuangyishengzhuanxingqiyeguanli,cengzaiduogeyiliaolingyuneichicheng,baokuokaifaguoneizuizaodehisxitong、renzhizhimingyaoqigaoguan、chuangbanyiliaoqixieqiye、canyuduojiasanjiyiyuanbinggoudeng,zuoweizhiyeyishidesongjiehaiyoushangyejingjixuefangxiangyanjiushengbeijinghezhongouguojishangxueyuanembaxuewei。

 

作为医疗行业资深人士,宋捷坚信,要做成医疗人工智能,最关键地是必须对医疗行业有深刻理解,“zuoweituanduichuangshiren,wozaiyiliaolingyugengyun20duonian,duizhongguoyiliaotizhiheyunxingkuangjiafeichangqingchu,duiqiyeweilaiyoufeichangzhunquedepanduanhebawo,suoyinengdailingtuanduizoushangzhengquedaolu。”tazixindibiaoshi。

 

而在人工智能方面,希氏异构有吴韧博士的队伍作强大技术后盾。wurenboshishiguojirengongzhinenglingyudapaizhuanjia,yizhicongshiaijishudicengyanjiu,cengshoubaiduliyanhongyaoqing,zuoweijiechukexuejia,jiarubaidushenduxuexiyanjiuyuan(institute of deep learning,idl),tongshiyeshiamdgongsixinpianyigouxitongqianshouxijiagoushihehuipushiyanshicudazhongxinqianshouxikexuejia。

 

xianzai,wurenboshijiamengxishiyigou,weiqiyedailai40duoweiailingyudingjianzhuanyerencaizuohoudun,tianchonggongsiaikejiyanfashili,qizhongyaojiazhibuyaneryu。

 

专属的超算机与AI芯片

 

值得一提地是,希氏异构目前使用的计算平台,是吴韧博士自主设计研发的超级计算机。yinweixiangbiyunduankaifangshijisuanpingtaiheshimianshangpinhuadegaoxingnengjisuanji,tamendechaojijisuanjidejisuanliyouyuqishubei、shishubei。

 

chaojijisuanjidechaosuannenglitixianzai,tongyangyizushuju,jisuanqilaigengkuai,sulvchengjibeidaoshijibeiditisheng,nengzaidanweishijianchuligengdashujuliang,zuochugengyouhuademoxing;tongyangdeshujuliang,dangqitajiqiwanchengyicijisuan,xishiyigouyiwanchengjici、shijicideshengjidiedai,chaosuannenglikejianyiban。

 

宋捷解释,人工智能的开发能力主要指两个方面,一是算法,一是算力。全球范围比较,深度学习算法各公司大同小异,但算力却千差万别。“shijishang,zheiyilunaijishugeming,jisuannenglijiangqijuedingxingshengfuzuoyong,erxishiyigouqiahaoyouzheigenengli。”

 

“muqianjuedabugongsimeiyouzhuanshudechaojijisuanji,zhinengcaiyonggongyonggongxiangdekaiyuanjisuanpingtai,duiyuyigezhuanyedexiangmulaijiang,qijisuannenglixianranbunengyuzhuanmenyanfa、duzishiyongdechaosuanzhongxintongrieryu。”

 

tagaosubeiqiaoshe,guoneihenduorengongzhinengjishugongsidoushijiyuaikaiyuanjishuzuomoxingxunlian,kaifangdeyunduanpingtaishuyukaiyuanjishuzhiyi,huomianfeishiyonghuofufeihenshao,zheileikaiyuanjishuwangwangbushizuixianjin、zuiyouzhenduixingde。danwurenboshidechaojijisuanjimuqianzaishimianshangbingwuxiaoshou,jingongtamenzijishiyong,“shiwomendezhuanyonggongju,erqietadejisuannenglihaijiangjixugaijinhetisheng。”

 

据悉,希氏异构依托异构公司在硅谷的实验室和研究中心,汲取了更多尖端前沿的技术。 “除了AI技术的开发能力外,应用能力也很关键;吴韧博士新近发布的AI芯片,为我们AI技术的产品化带来了极大的便利,zheikuanxinpianbingbushijiandandetongyongxingdeaixinpian,ershiyuwomendeaimoxingshendu‘bangding’,zheiyiweizhewomenyijingbushizaizuochangshixingdeaijishuyanjiu,ershiyoushishizaizaidechanpinhuadeluxian,shishishang,womenyingjianhuadechanpinyezaibujiuqiangongkailumianle。”songjiejieshaodao。

 

suoyicongziyuanpeizhijiaodu,xishiyigoubujulehuaxiyiyuandeqiangdayiliaonenglibingjiachiguojilingxianderengongzhinengduiwu,zhanjuyiliaojiarengongzhinengliangfangmiandeziyuanyoushi,zheijiangchengweigongsibijianguojidezhishengwuqi。

 

百万病例数据支持AI技术研发

 

从2015年开始医学领域AI研究,到2017年3月团队迁移成都,并于华西医院深度合作,希氏异构公司的已推出了不少成果。今年7月,媒体报道研发中心通过对消化内镜图像人工智能识别技术,完成了包括息肉、新生物(肿瘤)以及静脉曲张等多种胃肠道疾病AI诊断。muqian,gaixiangzhinengshibiejishuduiweichangdaoduozhongbutongjibingdezhenduanzhunquelvyijingfenbiedadao92.7%dao96.8%。tongshi,jiyushishineijingjianchadegaoqingshipinliudeaixiaohuaneijingyingjianxitong,yezai11yuefenzhengshizaihuaxiliangxiang,qiliuchangxing、shishixingbiaoxianchuxishiyigouzaiaijishuyingjianhua、chanpinhuafangmiandechaoqiangnengli。

 

beiqiaoshelejiedao,xishiyigoudexiaohuaneijingpeitaoaiyingjianchanpinyujimingnian3-4yuefennadaocfda renzheng,bingqiehaijiangpaishengchusanzhongbutongxingtaichanpin,baokuorengongzhinengxiaohuaneijing、rengongzhinengxiaohuaneijingdeyunduanpandingpingtai、jirengongzhinengxiaohuaneijingpandingyiqideng。

 

jutilaishuo,yizhongshiyunduan、wanquanruanjianhuadeyiliaofuwu,yiyuanhuafeihenshaochengben,jiangxiaohuaneijingheyunduanlianjie,yituoxishiyigoudeyunduanjishuzuopanding;yizhongshirengongzhinengxiaohuaneijingshebei,yijishushouquanfangshiyunxuxiaohuaneijingshengchanshanghebufenjiaonangneijingshengchanshangshengchan,xishiyigoucongzhongshouqushouquanfeiyong;haiyouyizhongshixishiyigouzijishengchanxiaohuaneijingpandingyi,zhijieshoumaijiyiliaojigou,rangyiyuanyuyiyoudexiaohuaneijinglianjie,bianshenrengongzhinengxiaohuaneijing,shuyuyuanyoushebeideshengjigaizao。 

 

实际上,希氏异构与华西医院的合作并不局限消化内镜领域,官方合作领域包括病理、CT、磁共振、超声等;jinyixiaohuaneijingweili,zhengzaikaifahuoyoudaikaifadebinglishuyijiejinbaiwanjibie。mingniannianchuhaijiangluxutuichugezhongyiliaolingyubijiaochengshudejishuhechanpin,chuleweiyiliaojigoutigongchanpinwai,xishiyigou2cdejishu、chanpinyehenkuaituichu,shejidelingyujuebujinjinshixiaohua。songjietoulu。

 

“gentuxiangxiangguandebutongyiliaoxifenzhuanyedeyanfapingtaidoushixiangside,womenqianqishijiyuyixuetuxiangderengongzhinengyanjiu,zhihoubujinzheyanxiaohuajibing,haijiangshejibutongjiaochaxuekejiandeyanfa,congjibingzhenduan、yucedaozhiliaokaifagengduoyingyong,shijichengshudouhuifuchushuimian。suizheaijishudefazhan,jintianlinchuangzhuanjiayanzhongde‘bing’,weilaikenengjinjinshi‘zheng’;aiyiliaodaolaidesudukenengyuanbiwomenxiangxiangdekuai!”

 

julejie,guojishangmuqianhaiweijianyougengchaoqiandexiaohuaneijingaijishugongbu,xishiyigouzaigailingyuchuyuqianyandiwei。

 

未来三五年营利30亿

 

谈及应用场景,宋捷认识清晰而明确。对于基层医疗机构,能弥补技术能力不足、医疗资源匮乏的短板,对于公立医院临床水平较高的医生,能提高医疗效率,suoduanzhenduanshijian,shifanggengduoyiliaonengli,rangyishengjingligengjujiaohuochengdangengduojibingzhenduan。

 

市场规模也不可小觑,他保守估计,公司未来3~5年直接和间接的营收将不低于30亿元。tatanyan,suiranxiangbiai“guojiadui”dedagongsi,xishiyigouhaihennianqing,danxiangduiyu“quanmiankaihua”dedaqiye,“xiaogongsi”zeshiqingzhuquanlichengjiuyishi,yincizaijutidejishulingyu,buhuibijuwubamencha,shishishangxishiyigouyebiaoxianchuletadeyoushi。

 

songjiezaiyiliaolingyuwenzhawendaershinian,duiyiliaojishushangyehuajuyoufengfujingyan。tarenwei,xishiyigouyuhuaxiyiyuandeshenduhezuo,yeshidaduoshugongsiyuyiliaojigoujiandeqiancenghezuonanyibinide。

 

qiancenghezuotongchangshihemouxiezhuanjiahuogebiekeshihezuo,zhuyaojizhonglinchuangqianqideyanjiu,suiranyehenyoujiazhi,danzuidawentiyishihezuoziyuanyouxian,ershiweilaichanquanbuming,sanshiweilailiyifenpeibuming,zheixiejiangdaozhiweilaishangyehuakenengxingjidihuozhejinan。

 

而与华西医院的合作,是和医疗法人机构官方合作,代表双方将全力以赴地支持项目研发,未来成果也是双方共享,这就为产业化和商品化铺平道路。

 

基于深度学习的训练技术

 

chuleyuhuaxiyiyuanlianhechengliyanfazhongxin,xishiyigouzaijishushangzhenzhengzuodaoyishenduxuexiweineihe,yucaiyongzaoqijiqixuexijishudeaigongsijieranbutong。

 

julejie,aijishufazhandelishifenshuilingjiushishenduxuexi(deep learning)jishudexingqi,erciqianshijiqixuexi(machine learning)shidai。

 

suoweijiqixuexi,shirenleijiangyiwangjingyanhezhishishurujisuanji,biruzhuanjiajiangsuoyouzhishibiaozhuhougaosujisuanji,rangqimonihuoshixianrendexuexixingwei,suoyijisuanjizuiduoherenleishuipingxiangdang,erbukenengchaoguorenlei;shenduxuexishijiyujuanjishenjingwangluodejishu,zhuanjiajianghailiangshujuhuotuxiangxinxijiaojijisuanji,youtazijichouxiangshiwutezhengwanchengzizhuxuexi,huodeqiansuoweiyoudexinfaxianerzuizhongchaoyuerenlei。“shenduxuexidebenzhishirangjisuanjihuodeduishiwude‘zhijue’,erbushirangjisuanjijinjinxuehuirenleidepanduanbiaozhun”,zheishisongjieduishenduxuexijishudelijie。

 

“我们会请专家对不同图像进行分类,再将同类型的大量图像输入计算机,训练计算机建立模型,这才是真正的深度学习过程。”宋捷说。

 

纵观宋捷的事业发展轨迹,他不仅横跨不同细分领域,也有从基层到高层的蜕变,但为何会在2015年投身全新的医疗AI领域?他解释,人工智能医疗从最终属性来讲,本质上还是医疗,人工智能只是技术或工具,如果想将医疗做好,纯粹AI专家或IT专家是很难驾驭的,基于以往经验,他认为AI技术将是带动医疗大发展、为医疗带来重大变革的关键性突破口。

 

“wobushiaizhuanjia,yebuhuitingliuzaijishu、chanpincengmianlaikandaiyiliao,woyugandaodeshiaijiangdailaiweilaiyiliaodedabiange,zheichangbiangezuyidapoguoquzhangjiuyilaiyiliaolingyudeqiangdabilei,ranggengduodewaibuziyuannengjinruyiliaolingyu,zheishihendadejihui,zheizhongjihuishijishudeyeshishangyede。”

 

从战略眼光分析全球AI技术,美国还是走得很快。“我有几点深刻体会,首先,AI技术对全球任何国家而言都是起步阶段,中国近30年的发展使得我们的医疗水平不再落后,而且我们的病例资源远超欧美国家;美国法律造成研究医疗数据的难度比国内更大,所以我判断中国人工智能在医疗领域极有可能走到世界前列。”

 

医疗AI目前的瓶颈非AI技术而是医疗本身而,但无论如何其发展速度将超乎我们的预期。“可以断定,AI技术开始在多领域实现临床应用,不会需要5年、10年,大概也就3年左右。”宋捷表示。

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